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Rhamia Darigaz · Nov 16, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Hyper Cutter · Nov 16, 2008, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

I don't understand why are people so bound to these books. It's not like they max out your kurzick title , they only give 1/80 of the max title or something close , while there are many other ways to get the faction.

I don't know about you, but one book for each of my 9 characters who've completed Factions (plus the 10th, who hasn't) would put my Luxon title almost at the level needed to display it in the HoM...

enter_the_zone · Nov 16, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Just a point regarding the speed of gaining faction by VQ versus pre-nerf HFFF.

So I just VQ'd Melandru's Hope (it seemed to have a lot of bosses on wiki, so boss bonus) . It took an hour and 10 using h/h and no consets. The faction reward was just over 20k, which means it's about equal with HFFF for me, subtracting the double faction bonus.

This isn't terrible, until you factor in that I was running 3 accounts at the same time in HFFF, effectively cutting 800ish hours worth of grind from my overall game life by leeching on my 2nd and 3rd account.

So, again, less grindy, how? The title still takes about 400 hours, only now it's 400hours x number of accounts. Funny, seems like more grind, not less.

HawkofStorms · Nov 16, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

Just a point regarding the speed of gaining faction by VQ versus pre-nerf HFFF.

So I just VQ'd Melandru's Hope (it seemed to have a lot of bosses on wiki, so boss bonus) . It took an hour and 10 using h/h and no consets. The faction reward was just over 20k, which means it's about equal with HFFF for me, subtracting the double faction bonus.

This isn't terrible, until you factor in that I was running 3 accounts at the same time in HFFF, effectively cutting 800ish hours worth of grind from my overall game life by leeching on my 2nd and 3rd account.

So, again, less grindy, how? The title still takes about 400 hours, only now it's 400hours x number of accounts. Funny, seems like more grind, not less.

/facepalm

So because you own 3 seperate accounts... you are mad because you need to do 3 times the work?

*sigh*

Aldric · Nov 16, 2008, 03:02 AM // 03:02

Getting rid of HFFF was one of the great parts of this update. Such a silly loophole/exploit shouldn't have been left as long in the game.

pumpkin pie · Nov 16, 2008, 04:04 AM // 04:04

part of this update is to counter player who does HFFF, so that players will play the game instead of planting flags and zoning.

If you want the book to be retroactive, fine, first you have to give up all your HFFF points. then you get your retroactive faction

which i guess is none, since you've never play the game in the first place to get those faction.

secondly, if you can do boring stuffs like HFFF over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over why can't you play the game over? LOL...

*sits back and watch if Arena Net cave in to this ridiculous request* or go mend something that need more attention *coughiwontsayitcough*

Konig Des Todes · Nov 16, 2008, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

or go mend something that need more attention *coughiwontsayitcough*

You mean revamping Sorrow's Furnace, Tombs, and the Titan Quests? Along with nerfing Shadow Form, nerfing the "600/smite" builds, fixing RA syncing, *goes on and on about farming spots and things needed to be revamped*...................

Oh, and some information on GW2.

Laylat · Nov 16, 2008, 04:21 AM // 04:21

I'm not about to go through 26 pages, but from I gathered in the first few, people seem to be concerned about getting Legendary Guardian to fill in their books. You don't. All you need to do is go through the missions. No bonus, no masters. I completed the Nightfalls NM and it took me about 2 hours.

Great update!

Can someone please confirm: I vanquished an area in Vabbi, defeating 165 enemies and it gave me 1,650 LB points. I thought it was 5 times the number of enemies, not 10. Although, I would take the 10!

The Meth · Nov 16, 2008, 04:26 AM // 04:26

The double weekend vanquishing bonus applies to reputation/faction. Have fun getting 100 kurz/lux per kill at the end of a vanquish. If you have the cap space you can get 30-45kish depending on what area you do. Its pretty badass.

DreamWind · Nov 16, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

I just have to comment on this whole retroactive thing. Anybody who thinks this is fair for people who have done the missions already so far has a pathetic argument. I seriously haven't seen a single good one, especially not Anet's argument.

All I can say is I can't wait for everybody to do the missions and get the rewards, only for Anet to once again add something to the game that requires people to do the missions AGAIN for new rewards. Seriously its hilarious that anybody thinks it is fair, and honestly I don't even care one way or the other because I wouldn't do the missions over again if they gave me infinity gold.

Abedeus · Nov 16, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

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If you want the book to be retroactive, fine, first you have to give up all your HFFF points

I'll gladly give away my... 2k faction? Because after getting 2k (I didn't have time or people to do AB) I got bored of HFFF already.

Anyway, enjoy doing all missions again, hundred times, so you may get the same reward as someone who has done it one time.

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All you need to do is go through the missions.

What if someone has done it already 6-7 times and is bored with every single piece of any of the missions?

pumpkin pie · Nov 16, 2008, 06:15 AM // 06:15

before I forget, I thought the update was "retroactive" (word choice) otherwise, how do you explain the mysterious kurziks/luxons faction point that suddenly happens to be there in the Hero's panel?

Apollo Smile · Nov 16, 2008, 06:56 AM // 06:56

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

I just have to comment on this whole retroactive thing. Anybody who thinks this is fair for people who have done the missions already so far has a pathetic argument. I seriously haven't seen a single good one, especially not Anet's argument.

All I can say is I can't wait for everybody to do the missions and get the rewards, only for Anet to once again add something to the game that requires people to do the missions AGAIN for new rewards. Seriously its hilarious that anybody thinks it is fair, and honestly I don't even care one way or the other because I wouldn't do the missions over again if they gave me infinity gold.

I wouldn't care. My whole point to beating all the missions was to get the titles to put in my Hall of Monuments. Any added bonuses doesn't change the fact that I already beat them for their REAL purpose.

upier · Nov 16, 2008, 07:47 AM // 07:47

So after doing some Vanquishing (yeah I know - I just fainted too after hearing me say that!

) - I have to say - I am quite a fan of the new system.
THE BIG problem though is that I actually consider the DOUBLE reward to be sufficient. So once we go back to the normal reward - I think my interest in raising the title (at least by actively pursuing it - oh and the title in question is of course Luxy-groupie - the only title next to Lucky that I really like) will dwindle.

Seriously - the rewards should stay on the weekend level - otherwise they've just added new ways of grind.

Jae Onasi · Nov 16, 2008, 08:29 AM // 08:29

I was not looking forward to HFFF to max the Kurzick/Luxon titles, so I'm VERY glad they made this change. Encouraging multiple ways to play the game to earn faction, LB, and SS points is terrific. Mind you, I like solo farming now and then if the rest of the guild is busy with other activities or if I need to be able to leave at the drop of a hat (always a possibility with younger kids at home) and don't want to zone out in the middle of a mission. However, I'd much rather earn SS and LB points by playing through the campaigns.

This also might spur interest in DoA, Deep, and Urgoz enough to finally get me to visit those places. As hard as they are, it didn't seem like the rewards were worth the time and effort spent, particularly when you could vanquish or solo farm and make just as much, if not more in terms of money, drops, and xp, and without as much dying and frustration. The changes they've made makes these elite dungeons more appealing now.

I appreciate all the work that was put into this update, too.

Takeko Nakano · Nov 16, 2008, 09:30 AM // 09:30

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

before I forget, I thought the update was "retroactive" (word choice) otherwise, how do you explain the mysterious kurziks/luxons faction point that suddenly happens to be there in the Hero's panel?

It's retroactive that way - not for getting pages of books back where you've done the mission.

Jongo River · Nov 16, 2008, 10:01 AM // 10:01

Good god I hope ANet doesn't cave to this.

If they do, I promise to whine like hell about the characters I've re-rolled, that had also completed Factions, just to punish them.

kostolomac · Nov 16, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by Takeko Nakano

This update is for people who have not yet played through all the content, or only done it once or twice. It is to encourage them to do so. But for those of us who have done it to death we are not likely to go through it all again, even with these books. Ergo this update is not for us.

What people like myself want to see are updates for us - i.e. content that rewards people for long-service/loyalty, rather than ways of just getting lazy/new players to play. And it IS TRUE that people who haven't played through are going to be lazy (if they bought it a while ago but didn't play) or new (only bought it recently).

No , this update is for all people. Everyone who does the missions now will get a reward. Nobody forced you or someone else to do them so many times or promised a reward . If you want the book pages , do the missions like everyone else. This update is to encourage all people to play again.

If I understood correctly you want a reward because you played more than someone else? Also people who didn't complete the campaign are not always new or lazy , I didn't complete factions since I hate the story, does this mean I'm lazy?

DarkNecrid · Nov 16, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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If that's their attitude there's no guarantee it won't come back to bite them in the arse.

Yeah I know it totally bit Microsoft in the ass, and Google in the ass, and Walmart in the ass...and......oh wait it hasn't ever bitten any business in the ass outright because thats the fundamental basic rule of being a business in a Capitalist country: try to make the most money while keeping as much money as possible. A lot more people are happy with this update than there are complainers, which means they've kept a lot of money (future investments) while making more.

Making money doesn't bite businesses in the ass, bad decisions that affect a majority of consumers negatively, or stupid mistakes like bad management etc does.

pumpkin pie · Nov 16, 2008, 01:03 PM // 13:03

All the hard work Linsey put into for this LOL, she could have just make 2 updates to make HFFF null and be done with it: the requirements for players to kill groups of Kurzicks and groups of Luxon for the related quest.